dave: Seriously though. This may have nasty reprocussions for poor little web developers like me who already have to cater for stupid Mac users (I hate you) and people who are too retarded to get the latest versions of the browser they use. Then there's standards compliance, what's the point of having W3C standards if the browser that 95% of people use doesn't follow them! I looking at you Bill Gates. Rant over.

Marcus: Don't worry. All the signs are that if GBrowser is a conventional web browser - and that's a big "if" - then it will be Mozilla based, and therefore unlikely to be much of a headache.

Marcus: I wouldn't blame Mac users too much either. It's not their fault that Microsoft never updated IE5 Mac beyond the level of "crap", and to be fair Apple's Safari scores pretty well in terms of web standards support.

dave: Safari isn't that bad at all, but seriously, why would anyone in their right mind want to use Mac in the first place.

Marcus: Yeah, stupid Apple and their stupid Macs. And their stupid iPods.

dave: I wondered when that would come out. I never said I hated Apple. I hate Macs and Mac users. The very thought of someone telling "the Mac user interface is so intuitive" or "actually I think you'll find that OSX Kitten has a much better file management system than Windows", makes my skin crawl. You've still only got one f*cking mouse button though you f*cktard! Apple have cornered the market in poncy looking sh*tboxes that are less reliable than Windows ME. If anyone ever tells you that Macs don't crash or that a Mac network is great they are a f*cking liar. I hate them, hate them, hate them, hate them.

dave: In fact. Sit around kids, it's story time...

I work for a small New Media company in Suffolk. Sometimes we supply hardware to our clients. On particular client (post-labotomy) requested that we supply them with some bog standard eMacs for some reason or another. We considered our options and it was decided that we would purchase the very bog standard model that doesn't ship with CD drives (saving something like £10 a piece).

The day arrived and we sat down to configure the machines so that they would be ready for use. However... during the install process, setup says... "Please insert your OSX cd into the drive". D'Oh. Silly us, saving ourselves a miniscule amount meant that we couldn't actually set the bloody things up. Help was at hand. We used plugged in an external CD drive and tried again. - Up to this point everything is fair enough, people have spare / external CD drives, I buy that. -

When it asked for the CD again, we realised that Apple, in their infinite wisdom, supplies it's eMacs with an OSX DVD not a CD. So even if we had bought the CD model (which were out of stock at the time now I think about it) we still would have got dicked. In the end it took some fancy fiddling and an external DVD Drive to sort it all out.

Moral of this story? Not really sure.

andy: I hate macs and their owners. Mac users constantly mass debate with each other comparing their godly macs to our lowly pcs. I hate them. Specially those who run xp emulation on their mac os, makes me angry!!!

Marcus: I don't love or hate any company, but I do generally feel a kind of tired antipathy towards anybody who claims to "love" a company or its products. Companies exist to aggregate money to feed their shareholders. That's all. Apple is, as far as I can see, no better or worse than Microsoft, they just have the miracle of users who will somehow go out on parades to say how great they are, even when the overwhelming evidence is that they're not, really. Must be an ancient tribal instinct thing. Anyway, to anybody who does extol the virtues of company A or B: please go and do something painful to end your silly little life. Right now. You're a complete waste of atoms.

andy: I love microsoft.

Marcus: You are a bad man.